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      Starting a online shop

      I have been thinking about starting to sell models for a long time, I don't expect to be able to give up my full time job, I was thinking about doing more to help with the running cost of the forum but also make a little profit as I'm sure it would take up a lot of my time.

      So, would you buy? what would you buy? do you think it's worth stocking paints, glue, masking tape, tools etc.

      The plan I to price models inc postage at roughly what you would pay in a shop. any input would be good.
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      Nice idea john and yes i'd buy from the forum as for what well armour in 1/35 is my main thing aircraft is a sideline at present, however i think selling paint is a good idea just say someone orders a kit well then you can offer the paint colours to complete that kit. As for glue, masking tape and tools i personally don't think so as most folks have these already... maybe even a pack of starter tools for the newbie. As for the pricing yes that sounds well good, i hope this has been useful.
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      Selling paints, masking tapes etc is great idea, especially if you were able to demonstarte on screen how these can be used (ie linked to tips for newbies like me).

      Also if you were to keep the costs of postage and packing down it would be a great marketing tool. I recently bought a conversion kit weighing a few grams from a large supplier in the UK and I was charged over £5 p/p. I took it to a post office and they said it would have cost £1.20 second class (which is how it was sent). I never use that organisation unless I have to because they rip us off on postage costs. Again, a second class postage charge of over £5 for a couple of pots of Xtracrylix is outrageous - so I'd bear in mind these charges but it's a great idea - hope you run with it and that it succeeds.
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      HI John,
      I would buy glues, masking tape and paint, great idea mate.
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      It is a great idea John and I am sure you have thought through a business case for doing this. I take it you would be not just selling to the forum? That would mean, I suppose, either a commercial website or an ebay shop. Either way you will have to consider either carrying stock requiring a substantial investment with slow return. Or, getting a really good supplier(s) who will enable you to obtain the items ordered from you quickly to provide a reasonable service in delivery time to the customer. Doing it this way would inevitably cut the margins as you will not, I would assume, be able to by single items at wholesale at the same price as multiple items.

      I have no doubt that most people on the forum would support the venture, especially as part of the reason is to fund the forum itself. However, if funding the forum is a prime issue, maybe you should be looking at it becoming a reasonable subscription for members.

      It would be an interesting idea but one, I am sure you are aware, requires much thought.

      As far as what would people buy? For myself, I rarely know what I am going to buy. Very often it is on impulse sometimes it is something I have been thinking about for some time and then the opportunity presents itself, case in point being the Japanese WWII Aircraft Carrier. I have had this at the back of my mind for some months and two things came together. One was the Group Build on Promodeller and the other was actually seeing the kit I wanted while visiting a shop while on holiday. Had I not seen it in the shop would I have ordered it online? Maybe not for a long time if ever.

      Paints etc are always wanted by all modellers, it never ceases to amaze me that no matter what stock of paint I have, I still have to buy something new for each kit. Trouble is, you do a straw poll of members as to what brand of paints they use and you will cover just about every make. Is it possible to stock that sort of amount? Bringing us back to the question I started with. Stock or supply on demand. If you can get suppliers to enable you to work like that, it is the way to go. Minimal outlay for a lower return but not a load of dead money sat on shelves gathering dust.... sounds like a stash to me lol.

      If you can do it, go for it. You never know, it could lead to a living.
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      Sounds like a solid idea. As one of the non-UK members I would expect to pay FAIR postage and have at times been put off ordering small items due to minimum postage charges.
      I would suggest that you focus on some of the more hard to get things; Like Gator glue!
      A problem I could envisage is what to stock and what not to stock.
      I think we are all agreed that tamiya masking tape is the best at its job, so thats a good one to have.
      Paints could ba a tricky one as all have there favorits. I'm sure if you went with say Vallejo model color and Humbrol Enamels, you would have the to top sellers...Some one will surely come with an other option.
      As to stocking actual kits? That would be nice, but are you thinking full blown shop or a service to Forum members? Some of the other non-UK residents could be tempted to use a middle man. I often see "Post free in the Uk" or some such. Flea bay is another place were seldom seen kits are offered up for sale, but the seller will not send out side the UK.

      Nuff speculation; Things I would buy: Good quality craft knife blades, there are so many Chinese tin can blades that only stay sharp while in the box!
      Good quality paint brushes! Suited to acrylic or enamel paints. Tamiya Masking tape. (BOOKS! Now theres an idea!) Decal paper for the DIY decal folk.
      HArd to say really untill you find that you need something!

      If you do it, I will be suportive and buy some thing !
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      Quote Originally Posted by Fenlander View Post
      However, if funding the forum is a prime issue, maybe you should be looking at it becoming a reasonable subscription for members.
      That will never happen I've always been totally against that, I don't know if you have noticed but there is minimal advertising on the site, I have done that because I don't want adverts to take over the site like you find on others, and I would never ask anyone for money to be a member of the site, they are here because they like is and want to stay here, yet are free to move on at any time and not stay here until their monthly subscription has ran out.

      However I have thought about this for a long time, and still not sure about it, I would have a large layout at first and I could be stuck with that stock for quite some time, I would set up another site which would probably be scale-models.net and I have looked at ebay but they take that much commission now it doesn't seem worth it.

      Maybe the smaller things like glue, paint etc but then if I did that, what supplier paint would I stock, and what colours would I stock, I know there's a lot to think about that's why this is still at the early stages and I am really looking for feedback then I can look in to it further.
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      Paint could be solved by a poll on the forum. Post a list with all the brands you can get hold of, and poll the question which paint do you normally buy. Job done.
      Coulours? All of them! But a compleat range then you have the start up. just top up the ones that sell most. (does paint have a shelf life).
      The out lay will only be as big as you let it.. Start small and go from there.

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      Good point Ian this sort of feedback is what I'm looking for.

      But as for paint what do people use and what do you pay? The more I think about it the best way to get it going is starting off with small items like paint that cost next to nothing to post and may be build it up like that, but it would take a while.
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      Definitely the way to go John.

      As for what pain s used? Well, I use Tamiya as my main type. However, I also use Games Workshop for my metallic, they are superb as is their Skull white. Some of the strongest pigments available and airbrush and hairy brush very well.

      I also use a small amount of Vallejo Model Air. I was in two minds as to moving over to them totally but I was put off a bit by the fact that they have some errors in their colour descriptions and I ended up with a few bottles of paint that bear no resemblance to what I thought they would be. A good example is the 70920 German Uniform colour. That is the paint I used for the dark green on my Spitfire and Mustang... certainly not a German Uniform colour I have ever come across. Some of the greys have the same problem too. Nothing wrong with the paint, it just isn't what you may expect it to be.

      Gunz are supposed to be accurate colours as is Xtracrylics. On the Promeodellers Video build of a FW190, the green Grey camo was done using Xtracrylics whereas the same RLM code for the Vallejo Model Air gave the brown colour instead of the green.

      I personally will no longer buy enamel paint or Humbrol acrylics as I have nothing but trouble with the airbrush blocking up, no such problems with Tamiya. Never tried Revell Aqua but they do appear to have a decent range of 'named' German colours but how accurate they are I don't know. I have my eye on a 1/72 FW190 Revel Starter pack that comes with the three main named colours for the camo. It will be an ideal opportunity to see how they airbrush and test the colours.

      Glues are a popular stock item although I bought my current stock three months ago and have not dented it yet. However, I cannot seem to get hold of a thick superglue with kicker in the shops around here.

      Tamiya masking tape, Evergreen plastic card/rod/strip, Lead wire, and maybe even some of the better scenic scatter materials could also be considered.

      Tools I am not sure about. Most people once they have their tools will probably not buy any more. Clamps and clamping devices may be a different matter though as I for one never have enough, especially self clamping tweezers, I really need more of those.
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