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Old 03-08-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Machining Small Counterbores for Cap Head Screws

I'm making some accessories for my Taig Lathe and wanted to counterbore some 5mm holes to take M5 Cap Head screws.

I thought I could drill a 5mm through hole and then counterbore it with a larger drill (10mm) to the required depth - but to clean up the hole so it has a flat bottom rather than buying purpose made counterbore bits with pilots - wondered about just grinding an old HSS Twist Drill square.

Can anyone offer any advice on how to grind the tool and advise if it's doable? Material would be T6 Aluminium HE30 6082.
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Hi Alan,
The way I have always done mine is with a milling slot drill.
Just drill your hole as normal, then swap over to the milling bit just slightly larger than the head of the bolt and gently plunge down until you reach the depth required. You can only do this if the bit you are machining is tightly held in a vice otherwise the job tends to end up blood red.
Another way is to find a source of what used to be called bullet point drills, used mainly for sheet metal work, they don't snatch when you break thru. What you do with those is to drill the hole for the head first then finish off the thru hole.

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Hi Alan, Interesting one.

Many years agao I bought an impact screwdriver in the states to bring home and use on my Jap motorcycles. Worth their weight in gold in the days of overtightened crosshead screws!!

Anyway I lent it to a couple of the crew who were taking up engine room floor plates and they consequently batterred it to death with a big hammer! I took it apart and discovered that the only real damage was in the ball bearing carrier cups which had split. I therefore needed to make a couple of cups from mild steel, approx 8mm OD and about 1mm thick and about 5mm deep.

The best way I could think of starting was to drill the internal bore but I needed a flat bottom and we didn't have any milling bits in those days.

Back to your point, I got a standard twist drill and ground the tip with the normal two cutting faces but with an included angle of somewhere in the region of 175 deg. Surprisingly it worked perfectly. I actually started by grinding the end completely flat then lifting the cutting edges by a couple of degrees each.

In effect, for your job, you are not even cutting the whole face, only a shoulder so I would have no doubt that a suitably ground twist drill would cut the counterbore that you are after.
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HI
Years and years ago i got a set of counter bores from a ME show for a pound or so. When i need one that i dont have I go the Bunker route but grind the drill to a stub length to avoid wander. The big advantage with true counterbores is the guide that fits into the drilled hole. Milling cutters and slot drills can chatter when entering a bored hole like that, but keeping the speed down prevents it.

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Hi. I don't know the size and shape of your accessories, but if they are suitable, have you thought of mounting them on the lathe in a 4 jaw or on a face plate and using a boring bar or 10mm D bit? You'll get a proper job done then!
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I get a proper job done or i wouldnt do it lol

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