Rotary Wing Thread, Another Interesting Autogyro...!! in Aircraft; Found this whilst browsing on the web, An ME-109 Autogyro..!!! yes it is a fantasy model but still looks good ...
Found this whilst browsing on the web, An ME-109 Autogyro..!!! yes it is a fantasy model but still looks good in the pics all the same.
Click on www.xs4all.nl/~tozu/index.htm
and then on the tab Luftwaffe 1946...what if...you will see a few different aircraft that may have come into being had the germans won the war, the ME-109 Autogyro is down towards the bottom of the page.
Anyone up for one of these...???? Would be a good talking point at the shows...!!
Pure fantasy I think. Dont believe they would have used a precious 109. 250mph not possible with rotors, current record is below this speed I think. Lots of interesting (not gyros) and more plausible projects on www.luft46.com The jets and long range bombers are pretty frightening. Some of these designs were in a late stage of developement even a couple almost in production. Great source of camoflage schemes. I love the floatplane 109, could have been a Schnieder Trophy contender. I`d have a go at one of them, open cockpit, all white, civvy reg, red & black band(pre-Nazi)on fin, race number.
The Germans were experimenting heaavily with submarine launched autogiro's,the Flettner and Fiesler company designed and built some interesting intermeshing rotor co-axial designs at the time.
The desperate ideas were for aerial observation purposes of maritime shipping,the autogyro glider versions were simply towed along by the sub and winched in as required.
Some examples of these machines survive in museums and warrant close study.
Many of the Luft46 machines were built as mockups but some were purely paper aeroplanes and never got past the filing cabinet stage,this to me is one of the most intriging periods in experimental aircraft history,many designs such as those draughted by Alexander Lippisch designer of the frightening Me.163 re-appeared post-war as Payen projects that were actualy constructed.
There is a Me163 glider flying in Germany, built fairly recently, that does the air-show circuit and glider events. Plans to fit gas-turbine were mentioned, usually aero-towed. Dont know current status. Would that be a Payen ?
Meanwhile back to autogyros....had help from Mud Duck builder/computer expert to put "Shakin`Sheila" DB Twin Gyro kit (the basis of the Schnieder Trophy idea mentioned previously) Note current DB kit is simplified cabin style. Pic on at last
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A few designers defected to Argentina,the Pulqui jet was a result of early German influence,very ahead of its time,I believe the Payen could have been Argentinian as well,not sure of that ? small delta with single large fin,sleek as well.
Wow,a flying replica Me.163 that would be something to see ! if the Luftwaffe had had reliable powerplants for those little beasties then I think we could have been finished,they would have created more chaos than the handful used in action experimentally,remember one drop of 'C' or 'T' Stoff catalyst in the fuel lines and it was a big bang on landing as the glass phials broke creating havoc with a resulting explosion.
There are a couple of sectioned Komet's in museums which are well worth a close study,Shuttleworth & Duxford have examples.
Imagine being posted to a Komet unit ! if the chemical reaction did not catch you out,then your spine suffered in the bumpy landings.
I reckon the Payen was a future developement. The current flying Komet replica was/is just like the WW11 rocket fighter. See www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/home/rob/me163.htm for pic of it in flight also list of existing Komets and info,history etc. Good stuff. Oh well, tried that link but got wrong site....best just Google for "me163 komet replica" and that`ll take you to it.
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Found this one while wandering in cyberspace. Bit fantasy and bit nearly there. Sure as heck beats the big ElectraGlides, BMWs and Gold Wings. www.sparkdesign.nl click on Palv press release.
The Me-109 autogyro which started this discussion is mine. It was not made as a serious attempt to model a real aircraft or project but as a joke.
As far as I know the germans never considered turning the 109 in an autogyro.
The Germans were certainly well advanced with rotary winged flight and had high hopes for submarine launched autogyro's,Flettner along with Kamen pioneered the intermeshing rotor principle using very advanced gearboxes for the time,the few specimens that survive in museums throughout the world are a timely reminder of what Hitlers war arsenal was capable of developing,if the Luftwaffe had have been given the chance to develop and the time to test these products then things could possibly have been very different indeed.What they did not have were the right metals and important consumables such as petroleum which was in very short supply.
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