Now about this tag picture quiz PLEASE READ!

Should this thread be put to out to grass.

  • YES stop this nonsense

  • NO it's fun and who cares about copywrite anyway

  • Keep it but MODEL RELATED only.

  • Keep it but only photographs you have taken yourself.


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#1
Right no easy way around this one.
I AM FEED UP WITH MESSAGES ABOUT THIS THREAD.
So I thought we should get the elephant out of the room.
This poll will hopefully get a broader prospective of how you the members feel about it.
Why the options I have given? They are the consolidated version of the messages I have received.
 
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I will repeat my question of last time this came up: why do people care about a thread they’re not interested in? You don’t need to read it if you don’t want to.

(Also, your poll answers show bias, making this poll potentially unrepresentative and/or influenced.)
 
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The second option is disingenuous. If the quiz thread breaks copyright (which it doesnt by the way because the images are used for education not profit, see my previous post on this issue) then the “latest acquisitions” thread certainly does and should also be shut down. Each post in that thread has a copy of box art, which is subject to copyright, and the images are used for no other purpose than to feed a vicarious plastic addiction. The only aspect of life illustrated by that particular thread is narcissism, showing that money is easier to spend than time.
To be absolutely honest, if there are so many members on here that are narrow minded enough to want to curtail the obvious fun that some of us get from this thread, then I am not sure that this is really a community that I want to belong to.
 
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how can the answers be biased?...theres a yes, a no, and two no's but do it this way............if anything its biased towards keeping it!

for my twopennuth i rarely go in the thread any more simply cos its getting so obscure i have no chance :smiling6:......but if its somewhere that keeps people entertained without it spilling over into the rest of the forum, and dosnt break any rules or legalities then i dont see a problem

id also like to mention that this isnt a democracy...people dont get to vote on things....the site is owned by someone who can do with it exactly as he pleases.....and Ian as head mod is his representative, so dont shoot the messenger!
 
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I wasn't aware that there was any elephant in the room.The nature of any complaints made would be helpful however.
Most subjects posted in the quiz thread are relevant to modelling in it's wider aspects though granted some are rather obscure.I find it interesting,fun and ,dare I say, educational.
Tim has hopefully dealt with the question of copyright and as far as I'm concerned as long as posts are not racist,sexist etc. or offensive in any way there's no reason I can see to close this thread.
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(Also, your poll answers show bias, making this poll potentially unrepresentative and/or influenced.)
Well if that is the case, considering that the questions are derived from the messages I have received, then I would say that they are representative and yes influenced... by the members that have moaned about it.
The second option is disingenuous. If the quiz thread breaks copyright (which it doesnt by the way because the images are used for education not profit, see my previous post on this issue) then the “latest acquisitions” thread certainly does and should also be shut down.
There is a thin line between education and entertainment, this one is very thin. The Latest Acquisitions and Finds on the internet are also borderline but when is a company going to complain about free advertising?
Also taggig a picture "for discussion purposes only" does not waiver the copywrite. in fact it only attracts attention to the fact that the poster of it knows that it might be a bit iffy so is trying to cover their backs.
As for your last comment, Well you know what to do about that. Sorry I have had enough of Its them or me ultimatums.
 
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I don't normally let forum politics into my life, but I am really very surprised to read that people are complaining about a thread, that you DON'T have to read. I think I've looked at it three times and never commented. But it does absolutely no harm.
 
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The second option is disingenuous. If the quiz thread breaks copyright (which it doesnt by the way because the images are used for education not profit, see my previous post on this issue) then the “latest acquisitions” thread certainly does and should also be shut down. Each post in that thread has a copy of box art, which is subject to copyright, and the images are used for no other purpose than to feed a vicarious plastic addiction. The only aspect of life illustrated by that particular thread is narcissism, showing that money is easier to spend than time.
To be absolutely honest, if there are so many members on here that are narrow minded enough to want to curtail the obvious fun that some of us get from this thread, then I am not sure that this is really a community that I want to belong to.
‘Vicarious plastic addiction?’. That’s me!
 

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Morning all.
Going to throw my thoughts into the ring.
As fun it may be to those regular participants it is not about scale modelling is it and maybe this is why there are complaints.
I have only commented once and looked in a couple of times and made a banter type remark.

As to the copyright issue, I've looked at copyright issues on the internet, as long as its not for profit and for education then its appears to be acceptable. Just edited this as it seems we are all contraviening copy right law by using even free to use stuff. A very grey area, to which unless you are a legal specialist able to understand stand the complexities of corpright law .
Dave Wards blog using art work on internet releases is great, I find this far more interesting and of benefit.
Remember this forum is about model making. :smiling2::smiling2::smiling2:
Enjoy your day even if it's wet !
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Quote from Moderator Ian:
“As for your last comment, Well you know what to do about that. Sorry I have had enough of Its them or me ultimatums”

Sorry about my last comment Ian, but I personally have had enough of gutless keyboard warriors hiding anonymously and throwing inaccurate and unfounded accusations around. If you are interested, though I suspect you are not because you are supporting this behaviour, it is actually called passive aggression and is a particularly cowardly form of bullying.
I am going to take a break at this point and see what other options are around, so I may well not post again. This is not an ultimatum, simply fact by the way. However, before I do, I would like to know if any of these complainants actually contribute to the forum or is this just your convoluted way of shutting down a thread that you simply do not like!
 

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I would like to know if any of these complainants actually contribute to the forum or is this just your convoluted way of shutting down a thread that you simply do not like!
Yes they are and no it is not.
as long as its not for profit and for education then its appears to be acceptable.
But is it education or entertainment?
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Administrator actually. How do we know they are gutless 'internet warriors'. Maybe those that have prompted the mods and admin to do something about this thread, might care to come out of the woodwork and add their views to the matter. I have not and never will name any one that contacts me privately.
 
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Well if that is the case, considering that the questions are derived from the messages I have received, then I would say that they are representative and yes influenced... by the members that have moaned about it.
Then your task as moderator could be to phrase it more diplomatically. Something like:

Should the thread “Tag Picture Quiz” be closed or left open?
  • I don’t mind either way.
  • Close it
  • Keep it open
This avoids (or at least lessens) pushing people towards certain answers, or skewing the apparent results (at the moment there’s one Yes and three Nos, so someone not paying overly much attention, or with an agenda, might not add up the votes for the last three).

taggig a picture "for discussion purposes only" does not waiver the copywrite. in fact it only attracts attention to the fact that the poster of it knows that it might be a bit iffy so is trying to cover their backs.
That’s a holdover from the Military Modelling forums, where the site’s owners required it. It’s a silly habit, but one that apparently dies hard.
 

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I must confess that to my way of thinking the Tag Quiz is getting a bit silly and obscure, and yes I've had a couple of stabs at it - and by some miracle been correct.

What we see on here isn't a quiz, it's fastest finger to the internet wins. The answer to a proper quiz should come from the memory. If you don't know it at the time, tough luck! Try taking a laptop into a pub quiz!

Regarding those who write "You don't have to watch it, just ignore it!" or similar, members on here, new and old have noticed and remarked on, a marked decline in the number of comments, even 'Likes' showing on models since the start of the quiz. Just take a look at the number of views.... Just a coincidence? You good folks decide.

I'm the most lay back person on the planet and I don't like rules, but I think something has to be put in place to let's say 'Redress the balance'

Tim - Yes, the complainants do contribute to the forum, and you writing to suggest it's just Ian's way of shutting down the thread is disgusting and way out of order!
Also, can I remind you that John the owner of S.M. is quite capable of shutting down the forum. Particularly if he reads such comments as your last sentence, personally attacking a member of his 'team'.

So let's all talk this through sensibly without resorting to personal swipes and ill thought out comments. If they continue I am certain admin. will pull the plug on the thread regardless.

Ron ( moderator and peacemaker)
 
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What we see on here isn't a quiz, it's fastest finger to the internet wins. The answer to a proper quiz should come from the memory. If you don't know it at the time, tough luck! Try taking a laptop into a pub quiz!
Though I agree, this is inherently difficult to do on an online forum …

Regarding those who write "You don't have to watch it, just ignore it!" or similar, members on here, new and old have noticed and remarked on, a marked decline in the number of comments, even 'Likes' showing on models since the start of the quiz. Just take a look at the number of views.... Just a coincidence? You good folks decide.
Seriously? I find that very strange — but probably evidence of people not being able to ignore (for whatever reason) threads they don’t care for.
 

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Yes they are and no it is not.

But is it education or entertainment?

Administrator actually. How do we know they are gutless 'internet warriors'. Maybe those that have prompted the mods and admin to do something about this thread, might care to come out of the woodwork and add their views to the matter. I have not and never will name any one that contacts me privately.
Ian .
Ian in reply to your question, when Dave shows it in his posts on the internet it's education, he's informing .
Whilst the " other thread is to me purely for entertainment.
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