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29-01-2007
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#301 (permalink)
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Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Essex, UK Real Name: Alan My Models: Anything that isn't worth throwing out Visit alan2525's Gallery
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| The cowlings are looking superb.
I'm sure on the full size aircraft the cowlings were also modified to fit. Even the car manufacturer Morgan has to tweak aluminium body panels to fit, the construction methods probably very similar to those used on vintage aircraft!
I'm looking forward to seeing how the wing mounted lewis gun turns out, with the curved track part which the gun moves along. All the attention to detail that you included in the cockpit that's going to make for a really interesting looking model.
I've never been a fan of the se5a in the past, with it's flat vertical front it's always looked a little pedestrian to me, on seeing one up close and from watching this thread though, I'm much more appreciative of the aircraft now.
One thing I never appreciated before was how central the cockpit is on this aircraft with the incredibly long nose forward of the wing, being an inline engine. It makes for a very balanced and elegant looking fuselage in profile. I've always been a fan of the Sopwith Pup and Camel, with their radial engines, have you considered modelling one of these? Litho plate for the bare metal cowls would look superb!
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31-01-2007
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#302 (permalink)
| | Scale Model Member | I'm coming to the point now where I have to stop talking about my own project and start some building. Your thread, Grahame, is just what I needed at this point: a veritable master class!!
It's a pity you hadn't time to build two, as I think that air museum curators would give their right arms to get their hands on a model of your making. |
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03-02-2007
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#303 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: County Durham Real Name: Grahame My Models: Preference for biplanes Visit Greyhead's Gallery
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| I was talking to a fellow scale modeller recently and discussing our differing ways of building; he likes to do all the construction first and then add details whereas I like to finish, as far as possible, each individual unit as I go along adding as much detail as is practical, of course we still end up with the same end product.
The exhaust starts life as simple tubes rolled from paper; a convenient thing about “rolling you own” is that it is easy to get the correct diameter, just keep adding extra turns until it’s right! I used watered down PVA glue this time and finished of with a coat of thinned shrinking dope.
Holes are drilled, slightly over sized, and the exhaust stubs glued in place with the unit fitted to the engine to ensure everything lines up, then any gaps filled. The rounded front is made from balsa.
Because the exhaust is round the flanges and holes aren’t; if you’re good at maths and familiar with radians you could produce a template but I found it easier to make a jig!
Luckily the front section of the exhaust is near enough 15mm diameter so a piece of copper pipe with a couple of holes does the job.
To make two flanges a strip of litho plate is wrapped around the pipe and held securely with Selotape then both holes carefully reamed out. With the litho plate removed any burrs are cleaned off, the rivets embossed and the outline drawn following the shape of the hole. |
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03-02-2007
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#304 (permalink)
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Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Warwick,UK Real Name: Barry My Models: Aviation artifacts Visit wonwinglo's Gallery
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| Grahame,I have always gone along with the idea that every small part is a model in itself,you obviously enjoy that same principle as well.
A lot of this intricate detail just cannot be added later anyway,especially as the structure is sealed up as major assemblies are built,also with these vintage subjects a lot of that character needs to be inbuilt along the way,your engine assembly is a good example of this.
Good old rolled paper tube is a wonderful way to achieve lightweight tubes,things are really working out well with your construction,I am sure that everyone here is learning something new with this build,after all it is very rare that we get such a wonderful insight into a modellers methods of construction,thank you.
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04-02-2007
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#305 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: County Durham Real Name: Grahame My Models: Preference for biplanes Visit Greyhead's Gallery
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| One exhaust is ready for filling, the other needs to be cut in half and the centre flange fitted.  |
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07-02-2007
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#306 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: County Durham Real Name: Grahame My Models: Preference for biplanes Visit Greyhead's Gallery
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| I have encountered a problem with the rear exhaust pipes; I rolled them from paper as usual and left them overnight to dry but in the morning they were all bent. I’ve never had this trouble before but these are quite a bit longer, maybe that’s what caused it? I’ve done one leaving it on the former (an aluminium tube) overnight and that has stayed straight so that’s the way to do it, but of course it means I can only make one pipe per day and I need 4 altogether.
With the front exhaust section in position I can tell what detailing needs to be added to the engine; because the “normal” view will be looking down on the model, the spark plugs, which are hidden by the exhaust on the full size, are clearly visible. They are made from a 2mm nut, some plastic tube, a pin and a length of wire.
Being white they stand out quite clearly although the camera doesn’t show them as well as in real life!
Perhaps it’s the angle that I took the photo so here’s one without the exhaust in place that shows the finished effect much clearer.  |
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07-02-2007
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#307 (permalink)
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Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Warwick,UK Real Name: Barry My Models: Aviation artifacts Visit wonwinglo's Gallery
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| Grahame the adhesive had probably not fully cured properly,thus the tube would distort as there would be moisture trapped on the inner layers of binding.
You have done the right thing by leaving them on the form to air dry naturally.
The engine parts look super.
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08-02-2007
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#308 (permalink)
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Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: County Durham Real Name: Grahame My Models: Preference for biplanes Visit Greyhead's Gallery
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| The lower cowl is held in place by ¼ turn “buttons” that pass through slots, I've modelled these from plastic strip.
The model shop didn’t have any “X” section so I glued 2 “T” sections together then working with small files I shaped the fasteners.
They are pushed through the preformed slots in the cowl and secured from the back with a drop of thin cyano.
It’s all these little things that make cowls one of my favourite parts to make; they are so individual to each aircraft. |
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08-02-2007
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#309 (permalink)
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Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Warwick,UK Real Name: Barry My Models: Aviation artifacts Visit wonwinglo's Gallery
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| Grahame,they are called 'Zeus fasteners' common even today on modern aircraft cowlings and panels,once again the test of time shows that original ideas work best.
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08-02-2007
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#310 (permalink)
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Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Halifax, Yorks: Nassau, Bahama's:Port Canaveral, USA: and all points in between. Real Name: Richard My Models: Robbe U-47, Deans Marine Cossack, Steam Coaster, Revell U-Boat, Motorcycles. Visit Bunkerbarge's Gallery
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| They were also used a lot on British motorcycles in the 50's and 60's. I once made one in a ships workshop from scratch to replace one lost from a BSA side panel.
I got it plated and it worked perfectly.
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