Rust

[CarolsHusband]

I thought that might be the case - do I detect a hint of leichte senf mit mayo?

At the risk of causing offence, (and heading for a telling off) " WE WILL ASK ZE QUESTIONS"

 

[GerryW]

At the risk of causing offence, (and heading for a telling off) " WE WILL ASK ZE QUESTIONS"

Ja Heir Flick!

 

[Airborne01]

I zink 'e is das chip of ze old bloc Gerry!

 

[Jakko]

But as for the Land Rover Defender Series, rust would be difficult to achieve

Or M113s, or CVR(T)s …

 

[rtfoe]

Thank you everyone, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Richard, I did really mean the chassis and you guys must have special dry rain over there as Landys rust like mad here, except for the parts covered in oil leaks, obviously. Joking aside, my point was that the Jeeps I've worked on really had minimal rust, even the neglected ones.

So yes, I'll not be going mad at it without a bloody good excuse !

I can't help but admire this though....

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I do love seeing the effects and it makes for nice contrast to the whole scene. Many have access to B/W photos and the wear and stains perhaps are mistaken for rust.

Cheers,
Richard

 

[Tim Marlow]

The chips look good. Great use of bluefoam, but the painting could do with a little edge highlighting

 

[GerryW]

Yeah, I was going to try a bit of paint chipping on a restoration of an unfinished Bergpanther I'm about to do.
I am braced for a possible backlash..

Again, I would say that 'less is more' - as I'd guess that the factories would 'dip' the vehicles as it's the quickest way to get paint on, which would leave a fairly thick coat of paint on them (and certainly not labour intensive) - weren't the car manufacturers still dipping car bodies up until the '60s/70s?

 

[Airborne01]

Slightly off-piste Dan but I also have two unfinished Bergpanthers, one of each manufacturer. Having exhausted my patience on track guides that nestle on the shallowest location guides, and then decide to pop off whilst fitting, I've decided 'D--- the expense, go metal' The Meng tracks are infinitely better then the Takom examples but pleeeeeeeeese, who needs that many location points?

 

[CarolsHusband]

Slightly off-piste Dan but I also have two unfinished Bergpanthers, one of each manufacturer. Having exhausted my patience on track guides that nestle on the shallowest location guides, and then decide to pop off whilst fitting, I've decided 'D--- the expense, go metal' The Meng tracks are infinitely better then the Takom examples but pleeeeeeeeese, who needs that many location points?

Hi Steve. Funnily enough, it was the running gear that ended my build all those years ago. The rear sprockets broke off when I was fitting the tracks. I must have done something wrong but once they were broken I couldn't see a way back.
I really like the Bergpanther though and would like to build another once my skill level is up. The Takom one looks like it would be a great build.

This one will probably just be a wrecked test-bed for various paint techniques.

 

[PaulTRose]

weren't the car manufacturers still dipping car bodies up until the '60s/70s?

i can speak from Toyota and Nissan experience................both ED dip to provide a anti corrosion coating and a sort of primer ready for the colour coat which is sprayed (mostly by robots these days....fun to watch)

 

[stillp]

I'd guess that the factories would 'dip' the vehicles as it's the quickest way to get paint on, which would leave a fairly thick coat of paint on them (and certainly not labour intensive) - weren't the car manufacturers still dipping car bodies up until the '60s/70s?

A bit more difficult with an armoured vehicle though!
Pete

 

[GerryW]

A bit more difficult with an armoured vehicle though!
Pete

If the factory was running a production line with overhead gantries - not a problem to put a dip in the line and a bank of heat lamps just afterwards as driers.

 

[Tim Marlow]

Yes, but they are not a body which is then added to a chassis.......they are built around a hull box....if you dipped it you would dip the running gear as well......

 

[CarolsHusband]

That's how they paint submarines though, right ?

 

[Tim Marlow]

Perhaps, but not in water soluble paint.....

 

[Jakko]

Yes, but they are not a body which is then added to a chassis.......they are built around a hull box....if you dipped it you would dip the running gear as well......

Building the Tiger Tank - The Tank Museum

The need to start building Tiger tanks during WW2 saw Germany adapting existing factories for manufactoring various parts of the machine.

tankmuseum.org

Takt 9 [the final assembly station] saw final painting in red oxide primer and the prescribed base coat, either Panzer Grey or later Dunkelgelb.

 

[JR]

Paint was applied by spray from what I can find, though expect that some castings may have been dipped. From 1943 German Armour was sprayed yellow, then painted either by hand or as some film shows camo sprayed in the field .
Russian armour was factory sprayed, winter wash like the Germans painted in the field.
Like Tim says I can't imagine dipping a massive hull.

 

[Jakko]

Also consider this: towards the end of the war, German tanks used the red primer as one of the camouflage colours, rather than overpainting it completely with dark yellow and then adding red-brown over it. The only reason for doing this was paint shortage — at which point, having a swimming-pool-sized tub of paint for dipping tank hulls into, is somewhat unlikely

 

[minitnkr]

Red oxide primer was pretty serious stuff back in the day. I remember an older brother painting a 53 Oldsmobile in red oxide with a brush, block sanding it smooth & Turtle waxing it. This was after taking all the chrome trim off & filling all the holes w/bondo. The car went through six road salt filled winters before being junked after a rollover. No rust was ever evident.

 

[Airborne01]

Red primer is part of German engineering standard practice - even today!