The end for Humbrol Enamel paints?

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I have seen that Hobby shops in Denmark are being made to withdraw Humbrol Enamels from sale due to those clever folk in EU.
Nothing has changed in the paints but they (EU) have lowered the allowed content of MEKO a drying agent due to the possibility of it causing cancer.

As I suspect that this will be over the whole of the EU I can see a big chuck of Humbrol's market vanishing. Is this affecting where you are?
I guess The UK not being within the EU will be unaffected but the rest of Europe will.
Has anyone heard of this? I see nothing on the Humbrol website.
 

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I’ve heard nothing, but then, I haven’t used Humbrols regularly for at least ten years so probably am not looking in the places where it would be indicated. It would be a shame to see them go as it would be another part of my modelling past disappearing. I still have a good selection of Humbrol tinlets on the shelf, some over forty years old, that are still useable.
To be honest though, I found the newer formulation (from the late nineties I think) much harder to work with, drying too fast and being difficult to lay properly without brush marks. That issue fuelled my change to acrylics. The last traditional Humbrols I used with any regularity were from the metalcote range, which I still think are better than almost all acrylic metal finishes. However, I find that the new Vallejo metals, and Dark star metallics, are as good so have relegated them to reserve as well.
They are still unsurpassed for dry brushing, which is the thing I’ve never got to grips with using acrylics. These days I tend to use oils for that rather than Humbrol paints as the pigments are finer.
 

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I get where you are at Tim. I only use the metal coat with any regularity, and a few odd colours that jut cant be found in other paints. Also If I really want to go enamel I use Colour coat paints from Sovereign hobbies. Which I can now get in Denmark. So not to bothered myself either. I was just surprised to learn that Shops in Denmark are pulling them off the shelfs.
 

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I suppose they are very old tech now Ian, and other options are safer, easier to use, and possibly cheaper. Still a shame to see them go though :disappointed2:
 

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I noticed that in Italy too Humbrol tinlets are slowly disappearing from the shelves and the few remaining (always not mainstream colours) are sold for even less than 1€, but I have been ascribing the fact to a logistic problem due to COVID and custom related issues, not to the non compliance to new EU rules.
Next time I'll ask the shopkeeper about that.
As per their use, I still have more than 20 tinlets for small parts brush painting and to create my own washes, dry brushing mixes, panel liners and Dave's recipe for tracks' paint. Sometimes I still use them for airbrushing 1/72 kits too as old habits are hard to break (old dogs and new tricks... :rolling:).
 
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Hi

Where I'm situated Humbrol paint is getting more and more scarce. It was a pain to order all the Humbrol paint codes for my build, ended up ordering from 4 different hobby shops to get 19 colour codes. Tamiya is busy taking over all the shelves and it becomes a problem as there are some Humbrol paints that have no Tamiya cross reference.
 

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Not a logistics problem guys. We discussed this elsewhere on the forum. Apparently the EU has banned one of the components of humbrol paint, and the manufacturers don’t want to change it, so once it’s gone from Europe, it’s gone I’m afraid.
 

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WOW well i use humbroll paints a lot like the rattlecan sprays an the tinlets so got to hope i can still get them as if i do another ship i will definatley need them
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Humbrol enamels were the only model paints available when I was a child. Then they introduced those water soluble acrylics that were convenient and easy but got bubbles in them, beaded and did not stick very well to plastic (the formula did improve eventually). I did hear about these exotics paints called Testors that were supposed to have better colours than Humbrol, but back then they were not available to me.

When I got back into the hobby about 12 years ago I started off using Humbrol but soon switched away when I realised that there are better paints. Nevertheless I am sorry to see the possible end of those iconic enamel tinlets. I hope that can find a way to keep them going though I will never go back to using them.
 
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I can remember from way back when IPMS had their old Nationals at Stoneleigh.
Humbrol were at their zenith back then about 30 years ago when along came Gloy Enamels with a huge range of modelling colours with a bigger range than Humbrol.
Gloy sponsored that particular IPMS UK Nationals as I remember. Humbrol were fast to react to see of the new pretender at the time and rapidly increased their colour ranges.
Humbrol already had a commercial advantage in that most model shops (remember them?) already stocked their paints and were a bit dubious about stocking an additional range.
Result, Humbrol saw off the competition in about two years and shortly after, guess what, began to disappear from their list. No surprise there!
So now we come full circle from the heady days when enamels dominated the market. New paints have come on to the market keeping on the right side of the dreaded 'Elf n Safety' doctrines.
We have seen a plethora of manufacturers and specialist paints. especially airbrush ready ones, and now good old Humbrol are suffering the fallout as new (and old) generation modellers are seeing the benefits of many.
Will the EU regulations cripple Humbrol? Who knows. Maybe they will react positively in the face of different opposition to the old days of the Gloy challenge.
 
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Correction 'see of the new pretender' should read 'see off the new pretender'

also ' guess what, colours began to disappear from their list'

Sorry I could not edit original.....Does not allow me to.
 

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Noticed Humbrol now in the "bargain bin" along w/Testors' various labels. Looks like Tamiya & Vallejo are taking over the available shelf space, at least here in Dayton.
 

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If you want to stay on the enamel paint. Have a look a sovereign hobbies. Its very good paint and the colours match well. They do not contain the chemical that's killing off Humbrol.
what is the chemical in Humrol then Ian, and can sovereign hobbies match the Humbrol number on the instructions?
 

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Not sure of the full name of the chemical but MEKO in everyday speak, it might cause cancer. Some Health group halved the limit which put Humbrol over the new limit.
As for matching the Humbrol colour number no they don't, but then no other paints do either.
In fact I think it's only really Airfix that uses the Humbrol numbers in their paint guidelines.
Sovereign paints are what they say if you need paint for the RAF, say extra dark sea grey, that's what you need to look for and not a number.
Have a look at their Web shop.
 

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Thanks Ian, understand.
I had a look at their website, so I can try to match the colours required.:smiling4:

Cheers for your input.
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Ian,
MEKO stands for Methyl Ethyl Ketoxime (apparently a derivative of MEK - Methyl Ethyl Ketone) and is the anti-skinning agent used in the paint.
The EU have changed its classification and banned it from sale to consumers as of 01 Mar 2022.
The HSE in UK don't currently classify MEKO as carcinogenic, hence its use in the UK is not banned per se.
The fly in the ointment in the UK is reflected in the following (reproduced from the Dacrylate website - a member of the British Coatings Federation):

"Methyl ethyl ketoxime (MEKO) or butanone oxime, is a substance used to prevent the skinning of some solvent-borne paints in the container or prior to use. Once the paint is applied to a surface, the MEKO evaporates, thereby allowing the drying process to proceed. Historically, it has been used by the industry for many years as it is a very effective anti-skinning agent.

We are an active member of the British Coatings Federation (BCF), and along with all BCF members, we take our responsibility for health and safety very seriously. Whilst every effort is made to formulate paints without hazardous ingredients, sometimes new knowledge comes to light about ingredients used in current products.

In 2020 the classification of a category 1B carcinogen for MEKO was adopted in the EU via the 15th Adaptation to Technical Progress to CLP(1), and subsequently adopted in Great Britain following the end
of the transition period. Due to the new classification MEKO will be restricted from use in products intended to be placed on the market or used for supply to the general public(2) as of the 1st March 2022.

Whilst the legal position in regards to UK REACH is still evolving, due to the severity of the classification (category 1 carcinogen), we and our fellow BCF members feel it is appropriate to take the position that MEKO containing products should be withdrawn from sale by retailers and merchants. Therefore, the BCF recommends that within the supply chain ‘First In First Out’ (FIFO) is strictly controlled through the sale of these products and that sale of products containing MEKO >0.1% should stop as of the 1st March 2022, both to the general public and to painters and decorators.

Since before the classification was adopted we, along with our counterparts, have been very concerned with the new information available regarding the classification of MEKO and have been committed to substituting the substance at the earliest opportunity to ensure sell through of the product in the marketplace before the 1st March 2022. Not only have we taken the stance to eliminate the substance from those supplied to the general public and to painters and decorators, but we are eliminating the substance from all our product ranges. We would therefore expect the majority of MEKO containing paints to have already been sold through the supply chain before this date.
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I am also led to believe that there aren't any meaningful buy-back options for stockists holding the paint.
Since it is not illegal to sell the stock of paint, I do not blame them for doing so - I would.

The removal of these products is a bit galling when the test criteria are examined: tested on lab mice and rate for 8 hours/day - 6 days/week - 18-to-24 months duration. There is no way any of we hobbyists will have that sort of exposure to the paints. The only people that do will be in the manufacturing sites and they have their own H&S regulations (respirators, filters and so on)

As consumers, however, we are facing a cessation in supply of any products containing MEKO.

I am not a paint expert but, allegedly, there is a known alternative to MEKO. I guess we just have to wait for the paint boffins to finish their certification testing and release the product to market.

I hope this helps.
Regards,
John
 

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Methyl Ethyl Ketoxime has also been associated with occupational asthma in the UK.

I think that Hornby have behaved badly over this subject. Chatting to the sole proprietor of a small hobby shop recently, he said that Hornby had made retailers aware of the impending EU restriction on MEKO many months ago, but had said that they (the retailers) could continue to sell their stock. Then a few months later they told the retailers that selling their stock was now illegal, but Hornby refused to accept it back or to recompense the retailers. My friend therefore had to write off over £1000 worth (at the cost to him) of stock, a significant loss for a one-man hobby shop.
Shocking behaviour, especially considering that there are alternative anti-skinning agents available, and the restriction of MEKO has been under discussion for several years. so I would have expected a paint manufacturer to have been aware of the situation.
I understand that Revell enamels have been using an alternative agent for some time.

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