Gary MacKenzie
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PAK 44 .......
What next.
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Good evening, spent some time thinking about the suggestions and seehave come up with what I think my be interesting idea.
Would probably be quite a large dio, in length and contents. I've done a large street scene before as Leningrad one.
Don't want the buildings to be the same, great stone clad ones but more industrial looking and slightly down market.
The scene as mentioned above, plenty of debris, bricks etc, the general destruction that a street battle brings.
the main characters
I was going to include the PAK 40 , but
My military advisor tells me that it wasn't used in street fighting but that SG canon was
Do the Russians will consist of the SpG and the JS Stalin, one being knocked out, the other squaring up to the canon.
Of course there will need to be figures as well, so lots to think about looks like it could take some time.
John
Any thoughts more than welcome .
Would probably be quite a large dio, in length and contents. I've done a large street scene before as Leningrad one.
Don't want the buildings to be the same, great stone clad ones but more industrial looking and slightly down market.
The scene as mentioned above, plenty of debris, bricks etc, the general destruction that a street battle brings.
the main characters
I was going to include the PAK 40 , but
My military advisor tells me that it wasn't used in street fighting but that SG canon was
Do the Russians will consist of the SpG and the JS Stalin, one being knocked out, the other squaring up to the canon.
Of course there will need to be figures as well, so lots to think about looks like it could take some time.
John
Any thoughts more than welcome .
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, I think Julie did a thing at it's release.
There are also pics of PAK 43s in street fighting. I'm sure PAK43s & 44s were placed where their range advantage was useful when possible. I'm also pretty sure what ever was at hand was used wherever. Especially where heavy tanks & SPGs were attacking. PaulE
There are also pics of PAK 43s in street fighting. I'm sure PAK43s & 44s were placed where their range advantage was useful when possible. I'm also pretty sure what ever was at hand was used wherever. Especially where heavy tanks & SPGs were attacking. PaulE
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But John has a 12,8-cm-PaK 44, not a 7,5-cm-PaK 40.
It is, you can hang it behind all kinds of post-war vehicles (my preference would be a YP-408 PWMR) but it’s not correct for the Second World War. I think John is confusing it with this weapon:
Also available from Zvezda, by the way. As an alternative, this one is also an option:
since the German weapon was an almost 1:1 copy of the Russian one anyway.
Ok Guys,
The PAK 44 was a 128mm gun and was produced by Krupp. Both Krupp and Rheinmetall built a few carriages for a towed version of this weapon with hopes of winning a contract for production. There was only one real drawback to the whole plan. Both the Krupp and Rheinmetall guns with carriages were too heavy for use as a towed piece. They both came in around 11 tons and only a 12 or 18 ton half track could tow them. The 128mm guns were used in a self propelled vehicle we know as the Jagdtiger. The 128mm could penetrate 155mm of steel at 3000 meters, but in a constant late war retreating battle these 128 mm PAKs would be almost worthless. The few prototypes built could have seen combat in April 45 in or around the areas where the factories were and/or if they even had munitions for them. In the battle for Berlin, I doubt it at all...
The 88mm PAK 43 was the major anti-tank gun both mounted on vehicles (Nashorn), Jagdpanthers, Waffenträgers (a few) and as towed or emplaced pieces. As towed pieces they were also very heavy and weighed in at 3,7 tons. The major drawback besides the weight was the length of the barrel which came in at 6,2 meters long. These were supposed to be towed by the SWS Half track, but at this point in the war, the Germans used what they had at hand.
I can't comment on the mortar, but it does look too modern and the two pics of the 12 cm's above are good. I am basing my report here on the following book,
Very informative, well researched and I don't think I would want to be in this troop of soldiers. They were well trained, very dedicated, but no way in hell would I want to go up against a KV-1 with a 37mm PAK36/37...…..
Hope this clears up any confusion about John's project.
Prost
Allen
The PAK 44 was a 128mm gun and was produced by Krupp. Both Krupp and Rheinmetall built a few carriages for a towed version of this weapon with hopes of winning a contract for production. There was only one real drawback to the whole plan. Both the Krupp and Rheinmetall guns with carriages were too heavy for use as a towed piece. They both came in around 11 tons and only a 12 or 18 ton half track could tow them. The 128mm guns were used in a self propelled vehicle we know as the Jagdtiger. The 128mm could penetrate 155mm of steel at 3000 meters, but in a constant late war retreating battle these 128 mm PAKs would be almost worthless. The few prototypes built could have seen combat in April 45 in or around the areas where the factories were and/or if they even had munitions for them. In the battle for Berlin, I doubt it at all...
The 88mm PAK 43 was the major anti-tank gun both mounted on vehicles (Nashorn), Jagdpanthers, Waffenträgers (a few) and as towed or emplaced pieces. As towed pieces they were also very heavy and weighed in at 3,7 tons. The major drawback besides the weight was the length of the barrel which came in at 6,2 meters long. These were supposed to be towed by the SWS Half track, but at this point in the war, the Germans used what they had at hand.
I can't comment on the mortar, but it does look too modern and the two pics of the 12 cm's above are good. I am basing my report here on the following book,
Very informative, well researched and I don't think I would want to be in this troop of soldiers. They were well trained, very dedicated, but no way in hell would I want to go up against a KV-1 with a 37mm PAK36/37...…..
Hope this clears up any confusion about John's project.
Prost
Allen
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Thank's Simon.
Started the mortar this afternoon, had a slight mishap with attempting to glue some bottom parts to the gun support , due to lack of depth of field, I managed to mis align them. At least I have some debonda.
If it's modern and French !!! heaven forbid I shall cease forthwith.
May opt for the sIG-33 then ?
Want this to be in a Russian industrial area. attempting to break through.
Ah the lovely Julie, I remember her great photos Paul, and her for that matter .
Well thank you for confirming that, definitely not going to use that then
.Thanks for those Jakko, infact I thought that mortar was German and of the correct period, so will probably go with the weapon I mentioned to Simon..
Thanks Dude1, so as I want it to be around the time of the Barbarossa 1941attack on it would be of the wrong time frame anyway, so the battle combatants are chosen.
On the Russian side for the Motherland we will have the SPG, maybe that Truck I will never be able to do , hit and destroyed with some infantry. V. For the Fatherland that sIG - 33 and it's crew...
Settled then, didn't know you wanted early Ost. Her avatar used to brighten my day when it appeared. PaulE
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I should have mention that Paul, but glad you mentioned that mortar. Oh I agree on Julie.
Well we can but dream.
Thanks Lee.
.Why don't we email her then
.John.
I will post a new page in the diorama builds soon . Thanks for all the interest and suggestions, with maybe the exception of " Rivet Jones " for his, which quite frankly I haven't got the room for the 5000 participants let alone half the Russian army.
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LOL
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Greg has spoken. You can't ignore the rabble. To help out I will do some of the German vehicles. If all the rabble chip in with a few models each then all you have to do is a couple of hundred Russian vehicles and a thousand figures. No issue for man of your talents.