Oh dear.... There she is with her irritating sarcastic Ozz squeeky voice castigating the British tank designers.Didn’t we have a couple of ex-fitters here?
PM sent.Just left a message asking her what the Aus have given us .
Don’t forget bloody good troops that we completely threw away at Gallipoli…….PM sent.
Bondi beach, Kylie, Neighbours, Home & Away, 7 foot rats that jump - now that lot would kill of anyone....
Nothing wrong with the 432, it was designed as a battlefield taxi, it was never meant to go head to head with armour. It was a design based on the lessons learned in WW1 and 2 where troops were cut down by machine gun fire because they had to walk up to the enemy.I am more disappointed that people are angry at the messenger than the silly designs that are being pointed out.
Our present track record with the new APC's shows that the UK still hasn't learned from many of it's mistakes and now has to buy in German Boxers as a stop gap.
They were only examples off the top of my head.Don’t forget bloody good troops that we completely threw away at Gallipoli…….
Poor education and direct speaking, my downfall....You did forget ending every sentence as if it’s a question……
The UK, Army procurement had a thing about the modular approach to light armour.I am more disappointed that people are angry at the messenger than the silly designs that are being pointed out.
Our present track record with the new APC's shows that the UK still hasn't learned from many of it's mistakes and now has to buy in German Boxers as a stop gap.
Based on the American Sherman (Tommy Cooker) - and that machine gun says it all.The point that she fails to make is that she is talking about vehicles that have been sold off to private buyers after many years of service. There's no telling how long they were unmaintained. Yes there were some design flaws but all of these vehicles had extended service lives.
And didn't the Australians invent the Sentinel.... With the slightly droopy machine gunView attachment 496897
Largely due to their own officers' determination to prove the Anzacs were braver than the British. They had a far higher casualty rate than the British (who included my grandfather).Don’t forget bloody good troops that we completely threw away at Gallipoli…….
I doubt it was based on the M4 Sherman unless it was designed by someone who had heard of but never seen a Sherman - the hull is completely different design and the drive train is nothing like the Sherman's. The suspension was similar (but not identical) to the M3 (Lee/Grant)Based on the American Sherman (Tommy Cooker) - and that machine gun says it all.
But the complete absence of strategic intelligence and total lack of drive from higher command was all ours. The whole debacle was prosecuted so ineptly due to British arrogance and the inbuilt superiority complex of the higher command, especially Churchill, Haig, and the Lunatic Jackie Fisher. The prevailing attitude was that we simply had to turn up and Johnny Turk would run away. When they didn’t, the only plan we had was to throw more and more men at the problem because we couldn’t be seen to withdraw…..it might give other foreigners ideas above their station! Oh, and we attacked the Dardanelles with battle cruisers on Churchill’s orders before we actually declared war on the Ottoman Empire……Largely due to their own officers' determination to prove the Anzacs were braver than the British. They had a far higher casualty rate than the British (who included my grandfather).
Pete
Very true. I actually fitted the SCAT mount for the battalions 432's so that the WOMBAT could be not only transported inside but could be hoisted up through the hatch and used in the open mounted version. And this was my workmate through the conversions...I know from personal experience squaddies were involved in evaluating APCs, AFVs (and clothing, small arms) etc. We wrote lengthy reports that were promptly disregarded by the suits and (mainly) civilian manned committees! Never was there a better truism than 'A camel is a horse designed by a committee!'
Steve
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