Gary MacKenzie
SMF Supporter
PAK 44 .......
But John has a 12,8-cm-PaK 44, not a 7,5-cm-PaK 40.There are pictures out there of Pak40’s in streets.....
It is, you can hang it behind all kinds of post-war vehicles (my preference would be a YP-408 PWMR) but it’s not correct for the Second World War. I think John is confusing it with this weapon:Pretty sure that mortar is modern French though so wouldn’t use that
/me reads back“I was going to include the PAK 40”
I read the text
Thank's Simon.Hi John,
There are pictures out there of Pak40’s in streets.....
Pretty sure that mortar is modern French though so wouldn’t use that
Ah the lovely Julie, I remember her great photos Paul, and her for that matter .Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is, I think Julie did a thing at it's release.
There are also pics of PAK 43s in street fighting. I'm sure PAK43s & 44s were placed where their range advantage was useful when possible. I'm also pretty sure what ever was at hand was used wherever. Especially where heavy tanks & SPGs were attacking. PaulE
Thanks for those Jakko, infact I thought that mortar was German and of the correct period, so will probably go with the weapon I mentioned to Simon..But John has a 12,8-cm-PaK 44, not a 7,5-cm-PaK 40.
It is, you can hang it behind all kinds of post-war vehicles (my preference would be a YP-408 PWMR) but it’s not correct for the Second World War. I think John is confusing it with this weapon:
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Also available from Zvezda, by the way. As an alternative, this one is also an option:
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since the German weapon was an almost 1:1 copy of the Russian one anyway.
Thanks Dude1, so as I want it to be around the time of the Barbarossa 1941attack on it would be of the wrong time frame anyway, so the battle combatants are chosen.Ok Guys,
The PAK 44 was a 128mm gun and was produced by Krupp. Both Krupp and Rheinmetall built a few carriages for a towed version of this weapon with hopes of winning a contract for production. There was only one real drawback to the whole plan. Both the Krupp and Rheinmetall guns with carriages were too heavy for use as a towed piece. They both came in around 11 tons and only a 12 or 18 ton half track could tow them. The 128mm guns were used in a self propelled vehicle we know as the Jagdtiger. The 128mm could penetrate 155mm of steel at 3000 meters, but in a constant late war retreating battle these 128 mm PAKs would be almost worthless. The few prototypes built could have seen combat in April 45 in or around the areas where the factories were and/or if they even had munitions for them. In the battle for Berlin, I doubt it at all...
The 88mm PAK 43 was the major anti-tank gun both mounted on vehicles (Nashorn), Jagdpanthers, Waffenträgers (a few) and as towed or emplaced pieces. As towed pieces they were also very heavy and weighed in at 3,7 tons. The major drawback besides the weight was the length of the barrel which came in at 6,2 meters long. These were supposed to be towed by the SWS Half track, but at this point in the war, the Germans used what they had at hand.
I can't comment on the mortar, but it does look too modern and the two pics of the 12 cm's above are good. I am basing my report here on the following book,
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Very informative, well researched and I don't think I would want to be in this troop of soldiers. They were well trained, very dedicated, but no way in hell would I want to go up against a KV-1 with a 37mm PAK36/37...…..
Hope this clears up any confusion about John's project.
Prost
Allen
I should have mention that Paul, but glad you mentioned that mortar. Oh I agree on Julie.Settled then, didn't know you wanted early Ost. Her avatar used to brighten my day when it appeared. PaulE
Thanks Lee. .Waiting on stand by Commander Race
Why don't we email her then .Too bad she never found this site. I miss here as well.
Oh not you as well Greg . Has Steve been messaging you ?Dear John with all that stash you should do a MEGA Diorama of Kursk.... that would be AWESOME....
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