Tamiya 1/16 RC Panther (resumed after a long hiatus)

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Just popped in to see how thngs are going Paul. Nice to see the wet stuff on the model. Congratulations on your competition success's. Richly deserved. Thanks for sharing

Steve
Hi Steve, thanks for dropping by and for the kind words. I should have a major update on this build in a week or so time. I’m hoping to have the lower hull and running gear complete. Once this is done I think things will move pretty rapidly, as the steps beyond that are fairly straight forward. Hopefully the results will be worth the wait.

Many thanks again
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Completing the Lower Hull and Running Gear

Hi everyone.
It's been a little while since I last posted but things on the big Panther are progressing. My focus at the moment is on completing the lower hull, wheels and tracks. The reason for this unusual approach to the build is purely practical. Because this model is so big and heavy I really don't want to be man-handling this too much and having to turn this upside down later in the build, certainly not with all the fragile photo etch yet to be added. To illustrate this reason I need only point out another couple of mishaps which needed correcting. First I broke off the towing pintle handle from the rear hull plate and then (more catastrophically) managed to break the rear hull plate!!! Both, I'm happy to report, have been fixed but it just goes to show the sort of difficulties associated with such large (and heavy) models.

Here's the lower hull repair (this will be invisible when the upper hull is matched...
Rear_Hull_Breakage.jpg

Another thing I've had to plan in advance (Tamiya's build sequence has long since gone out of the window!) is the front glacis plate which I'm adding with plastic card which will have it's Zimmerit coating applied later. The enlarged holes in the hull were necessary to accommodate the new gearboxes but will be invisible under the plastic card front glacis plate...

Glacis_Plate_Transmission_Cutouts.jpg

And so on to painting the hull.
I used the same 3 shades of dunkelgelb to achieve this effect, polishing each subsequent layer to ensure a perfectly smooth finish with no hint of orange-peeling...

Lower_Hull_Base_Colour_Fading.jpg

At this point I'd like to share a tip with anyone that airbrushes acrylic paints. This simple trick eliminates 95% of all associated airbrush blockages and saves many frustrating hours of airbrush cleaning. Simply cut a piece of metal mesh and make yourself an airbrush strainer. Sounds simple (and it is!) but it is amazing how much this has helped filter out the tiny solid acrylic particles from paint. I always dilute my paint with the appropriate thinners and use this simple device to strain the paint into the mixing container. I then use it again on the airbrush to ensure trouble free airbrushing. Simples!

Airbrush_Strainer.jpg

I'm now skipping ahead a few steps as I forgot to photograph painting the tracks (doh!) Here's a sneak peak at how the whole running gear looks at the moment. Please remember there will be many more layers of weathering and steps to bring the whole model together so this is by no means the finished article...

Track_Test_Fit_02.jpg
Track_Test_Fit.jpg

Oh, whilst I remember, the Mig Productions metal paint (used on the inner road wheels) I found to be ok. It is true that it does tend to keep on rubbing off but then I've found that true of a lot of metallic paints, unless they are thoroughly cured. I found that after a day's hardening the paint was pretty much fixed but I did add a satin varnish over the top to ensure it stayed where it was supposed to be. In truth, I think where this paint comes into it's own is dry-brushing. An example of this can be seen on the tracks as I used this paint to highlight the raised metallic surfaces. Incidentally, my sequence for painting the tracks was as follows:
1. Metal etch Primer
2. Satin Black (shadow layer)
3. Red Brown (in all but the deepest recesses)
4. Mud Brown (sprayed lightly)
5. Standard and light rust pigments (applied in a thinners solution to specific deep areas in the track links)
6. Europe dust and light mud pigments (added dry and sparingly in random areas then brushed away with a soft brush to blend)
7. Uschi Metal pigments (applied with a cloth to give a metallic sheen to raised detail)
8. Finally Mig Metal Paint (Steel) applied sparingly to raised detail and polished.

The only thing to add before I can start completing the lower hull is a little mud. Unfortunately, when I came to open my Mig acrylic medium to create said mud it was solid in the container. One online shop with the forum shop and hopefully I can continue soon. (Thanks John for the speedy dispatch!)

And that's it for now...
This thing is starting to look a bit more tank-like now. I feel that once the running gear is complete things will move on at a pace (not least because I've plenty of time on my Hands at the mo!)

Stay safe everyone

Cheers
Paul
 
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Completing the Lower Hull and Running Gear

Hi everyone.
It's been a little while since I last posted but things on the big Panther are progressing. My focus at the moment is on completing the lower hull, wheels and tracks. The reason for this unusual approach to the build is purely practical. Because this model is so big and heavy I really don't want to be man-handling this too much and having to turn this upside down later in the build, certainly not with all the fragile photo etch yet to be added. To illustrate this reason I need only point out another couple of mishaps which needed correcting. First I broke off the towing pintle handle from the rear hull plate and then (more catastrophically) managed to break the rear hull plate!!! Both, I'm happy to report, have been fixed but it just goes to show the sort of difficulties associated with such large (and heavy) models.

Here's the lower hull repair (this will be invisible when the upper hull is matched...
View attachment 378935

Another thing I've had to plan in advance (Tamiya's build sequence has long since gone out of the window!) is the front glacis plate which I'm adding with plastic card which will have it's Zimmerit coating applied later. The enlarged holes in the hull were necessary to accommodate the new gearboxes but will be invisible under the plastic card front glacis plate...

View attachment 378940

And so on to painting the hull.
I used the same 3 shades of dunkelgelb to achieve this effect, polishing each subsequent layer to ensure a perfectly smooth finish with no hint of orange-peeling...

View attachment 378951

At this point I'd like to share a tip with anyone that airbrushes acrylic paints. This simple trick eliminates 95% of all associated airbrush blockages and saves many frustrating hours of airbrush cleaning. Simply cut a piece of metal mesh and make yourself an airbrush strainer. Sounds simple (and it is!) but it is amazing how much this has helped filter out the tiny solid acrylic particles from paint. I always dilute my paint with the appropriate thinners and use this simple device to strain the paint into the mixing container. I then use it again on the airbrush to ensure trouble free airbrushing. Simples!

View attachment 378952

I'm now skipping ahead a few steps as I forgot to photograph painting the tracks (doh!) Here's a sneak peak at how the whole running gear looks at the moment. Please remember there will be many more layers of weathering and steps to bring the whole model together so this is by no means the finished article...

View attachment 378953
View attachment 378954

Oh, whilst I remember, the Mig Productions metal paint (used on the inner road wheels) I found to be ok. It is true that it does tend to keep on rubbing off but then I've found that of a lot of metallic paints do unless they are really cured well. I found that after a day's hardening the paint was pretty much fixed but I did add a satin varnish over the top to ensure it stayed where it was supposed to be. In truth I think where this paint comes into it's own is dry-brushing. An example of this can be seen on the tracks as I used this paint to highlight the raised metallic surfaces. Incidentally, my sequence for painting the tracks were as follows:
1. Metal etch Primer
2. Satin Black (shadow layer)
3. Red Brown (in all but the deepest recesses)
4. Mud Brown (sprayed lightly)
5. Standard and light rust pigments (applied in a thinners solution to specific deep areas in the track links)
6. Europe dust and light mud pigments (added dry and sparingly in random areas then brushed away with a soft brush to blend)
7. Uschi Metal pigments (applied with a cloth to give a metallic sheen to raised detail)
8. Finally Mig Metal Paint (Steel) applied sparingly to raised detail and polished.

The only thing to add before I can start completing the lower hull is a little mud. Unfortunately, when I came to open my Mig acrylic medium to create said mud it was solid in the container. One online shop with the forum shop and hopefully I can continue soon. (Thanks John for the speedy dispatch!)

And that's it for now...
This thing is starting to look a bit more tank-like now. I feel that once the running gear is complete things will move on at a pace (not least because I've plenty of time on my Hands at the mo!)

Stay safe everyone

Cheers
Paul
HI Paul she looks great with the wheels an tracks on awesome she is are the tracks plastic or metal ? as when those heavy duty motors start pullin those tracks there is goin to be a lot of stress on the tracks I think brilliant build lookin forward to more
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HI Paul she looks great with the wheels an tracks on awesome she is are the tracks plastic or metal ? as when those heavy duty motors start pullin those tracks there is goin to be a lot of stress on the tracks I think brilliant build lookin forward to more
chris
Hi Chris
The tracks are metal. The whole thing is quite a weight now akin to holding a car battery, hence my eagerness to finish the lower hull. :smiling:
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P
 

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Hi Chris
The tracks are metal. The whole thing is quite a weight now akin to holding a car battery, hence my eagerness to finish the lower hull. :smiling:
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P
one word paul FAB U LAS
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The lower hull is finally finished. Yay!...

After a considerable push the lower hull is finally complete. The model now stands on it's own tracks and is able to trundle around accompanied by the sounds of the awesome Maybach engine. This called for a quick test of all the functions. I took the Panther on a quick tour of the kitchen and... all is well, phew!

Track_Close_Up.jpg

'Ello, ello. What's all this then...'
Couldn't resist a shot with my 120mm British Infantryman.

'Ello, 'ello!02.jpg

I mentioned, briefly in a previous post, that I would relocate the on/off switch. This is where the switch is located now...

Relocated_Switch.jpg

And finally, yet more mishaps...

Hull_Rear.jpg

The towing pintle handle has broken off again (indicated centre). And just now I discovered that the left rear hull hook has broken off. This illustrates just why I've been so desperate to finish the lower hull, as man-handling this beast inevitably leads to breakages. Now that the model rests on its own tracks, and there is no need now to turn this thing over, I can breath a sigh of relief. The 2 breakages mentioned above are just another couple of hitches to overcome and (to be honest) are the least of my concerns about the build.

Hope you like the progress so far
Cheers
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YEA Paul that's he problem with big heavy models is breakages through handleling an I must admit that I will have this problem too on my tiger but well if it happen just get out the glue an most important of all enjoy your build as we cant do much eles for the forceable futerure an great work by the way love your camo paint work
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YEA Paul that's he problem with big heavy models is breakages through handleling an I must admit that I will have this problem too on my tiger but well if it happen just get out the glue an most important of all enjoy your build as we cant do much eles for the forceable futerure an great work by the way love your camo paint work
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Cheers Chris.
I’m going to be doing a bit more Zimm application today (turret and possibly revisit Zimm on parts of the hull). Any update on Tiger?
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Zimmerit Finished!... Well, almost.
After a really determined push I finally finished the Zimmerit for the turret and mantlet. This almost completes the Zimm for the whole tank (there's just the lower-front hull to do) and means I can start the mechanisms for the turret.

Turret_Zimmerit01.jpg

I also had a quick look at the positioning of the turret numbers. I sprayed these with primer through a rough paper mask, just to see how they would look. I'm relatively happy With the result. It should be noted that this stencil includes both inner (red) and outline (white) and therefore appear thicker. Some minor tweaks will be necessary, but won't be too difficult to alter in 'Illustrator', before cutting the masks on my plotter.

The rear of the turret...
Turret_Zimmerit02.jpg

Finally
I've ringed the patch of Zimmerit missing from Panther 135 which can be seen in the wartime shot below. Also ringed is the repaired hull hook (which you may remember I snapped off a little while ago).

Turret_Zimmerit03.jpg
HJPanther135LHS.jpg

Tomorrow I'm hoping to finish the turret mechanisms then it's on with adding all that photo etch and finishing up!

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Just popped in to have a quick update on how its going Paul. The zim has turned out really well. A fantastic build all round.
 

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Very nice Paul, hows the house extension coming on lol, you might need one soon ;)

Will read this thread from the start :thumb2:
 

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Turret Detailing And Surface Texture Before Paint

First of all, thanks Steve/Bob for the support it's much appreciated :thumb2:

I'm at a another point in the build where painting needs to happen before I can continue. In this case the main gun needs to be painted before inserting into the mantlet. In an effort to streamline the process a bit, I decided that it would be more efficient if I simply finished the turret and painted it in one go. With this in mind I set about applying all the finishing detail to turret. These details include: adding weld seams where necessary, adding the photo etch, adding subtle texture to the metal surfaces (rolled steel/cast steel).

Here's the pics...

In this pic you can see the PE detail including the vane sight.
Turret_Detail_Overview.jpg

Here's a pic of the rear with the PE latch to hold the loader's door open. Also in shot (and I forgot to mention) is the scratch built bump stop for the commander's hatch seen on the left of the cupola.

Rear_Turret_PE.jpg


Here I've tried (unsuccessfully :confused: ) to photograph the texture to the surfaces. A rolled plate texture was applied to the turret roof by 'bouncing' a course burr in a rotary drill across the surface very lightly. This simulates the rolled surface detail of plate steel. On the cast parts (cupola, periscope armoured cover, ventilator cap) I replicated the cast texture by stippling the surface with liquid poly. If you keep on stippling the surface the liquid poly begins to lightly melt the surface and the stippling creates the rougher effect. Admittedly these effects are subtle (as seen here) but I include the description in case you want to try these techniques yourself.
Turret_Details.jpg

Weld seam detail...
Weld_Detail.jpg

Mantlet details including the lifting lugs and the bump stops attached to the turret. Please note the plate guard on top of the mantlet is not attached, this will happen after paint. The line of masking tape behind it is there to ensure a secure attachment point after paint (it's not good to glue parts to painted surfaces if it can be avoided).
Mantlet_Detail.jpg

I have a choice in the construction of the periscopes. I have both aftermarket resin items and photo etch equivalents. I've decided I'm going to go with the resin options for this build The simple reason is that I cannot think of a way of cleanly inserting the glass into the PE versions once they are soldered up. I've considered pouring clear resin into them but, because they have openings at both ends, this will be difficult to achieve a clean result. Another reason is that they seem a poor fit inside the cupola and although I could make them fit it seems a lot of effort for diminishing returns.
Anyhoo here's the choices...
Periscope_Comparison.jpg

One of the resin periscopes had an air bubble in just the wrong spot and required some repair with plastic card...
Periscope repair.jpg

Finally...
The biggest tool in the box!
To counteract the weight of the gun the turret requires a weight to balance it. I had purchased the Schumo Panther/Pershing counterweight to achieve this. This aftermarket part is supposed to fit both the Tamiya Panther and Pershing RC tanks. Now it may fit the Pershing (I cannot say) but it certainly does not fit the Panther straight out of the bag. The diameter of the piece is just a little too small. The pre-drilled holes for the bolts do not line up with the corresponding holes in the turret base. Drastic measures were needed. Out came... the angle grinder!!!!! Yep, I raided the garage for the biggest tool on the workbench and set about 'fettling' this mutha! First of all I had to grind away clearance for the existing bolts in the turret base. And then I ground back the predrilled holes to countersink the new bolts (as this would interfere with the rotation mechanism otherwise).

Turret_Weight_Alts.jpg

In addition to these industrial alterations I then had to fabricate some new bracket adapters to secure the weight to the turret base, seen here...
Turret_Weight_Brackets.jpg

The weight is now secure and hopefully that will be enough to prevent the turret from leaning nose forward.

And that's it for now. Today I'm hopefully going to get some paint on the turret, then we will have a funny looking model - complete bottom, complete top with an incomplete middle. A sort of build-stage sandwich!

Anyhoo, thanks for listening.

Cheers
Paul

Ps. Bob: Another garage would be useful!!!
 

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HI Paul this is fantastic it seems to me you are building a real tank with all that work that you have done lol an I really like your zim an the work you have done on the turret ring gearing an the turret turning motor looks great very nice work very well done :thumb2: :thumb2: :thumb2: :thumb2: :thumb2:
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